This month we look into the Stull Cemetery and its portal to Hell, but first we’ll look into the Conjuring house’s current drama, how Dorito dust can make your mice transparent, and a mysterious body in a casket appearing in a Detroit park.

The News:

Drama at The Conjuring House

Making Mice Invisible

Detroit Park Casket

TRANSCRIPT:

For today’s Curse inspection we look into the Stull Cemetery and its portal to hell, but first we’ll look into the conjuring house’s current drama, how Dorito dust can make your mice transparent, and a mysterious body in a casket peering in a Detroit park. This is your co-host, Chris. This is Sheryl. As we do at the start of every episode, we will fire up the Curse-O-Meter here for calibration. This is where we feed it three news stories from the recent news, and we learn how cursed these stories are. Turning on the Curse-O-Meter now.

Alright, I have the first story for the Curse-O-Meter today. This is titled, Ghost Hunters star Jason Haas faces vile accusations by owner of Haunted Conjuring Home. It’s by Patrick Riley on August 16th for the New York Post. Jason Haas, the star of Ghost Hunters, claims the conjuring house owner has been harassing him for weeks and accusing him of being part of a plot to assassinate her. Why a ghost hunter would want to assassinate her is beyond me, but…

They want to make one more ghost.

That’s right. Haas filed a police report against the owner, Jacqueline Nuñez, after receiving several threatening messages. Some of these text messages were just vile, says Haas. She claims that I was trying to plot her assassination. I wanted to take this to the police department just to cover myself and protect my family, he added. Haas, whose daughter worked at the creepy house for nearly two years, said Nuñez had been messaging him last month after making claims that he trespassed on the property. Nuñez posted surveillance video from the home on social media showing that what appeared to be a man leaving the property in a truck. Yeah, because nobody in the state has a truck.

Especially in a rural area like where the conjuring house is.

Yeah. She wrote that the man looked like Jason Haas, which, if any of you have seen him online, he’s pretty nondescript. He’s a large bald man. Could be me. Could be you. You’ve got more facial hair than the last time I saw him, but yes, he may have facial hair at this point. I could be him. You could be him.

Although Haas says it has not been proven to be him, as we just discussed. Then he started receiving threatening messages from her. So some of the threatening messages are, you will someday be prosecuted for your slander and numerous murder attempts on my life. I am told that you know of the assassination attempt on me, and I will never be defeated or destroyed by any expletive. Filling your favorite here, folks.

I think it was effing in one of the news reports I read.

Excellent. Any effing paranormal person now or at any time in the future?

If any of all the ghost hunters you know, if one of them was planning to assassinate the lady who owns the conjuring house, who’s your money on?

Maybe Zach. Zach Baggins.

Oh yeah, he’d probably want that house for himself.

Yeah, he probably has made an offer on the house a few times. Just last month, a former employee at the property filed a complaint with the state of Rhode Island seeking $9,000 in unpaid wages. After Nunez claimed the spirit of the home’s 19th century owner, John Arnold claimed that the employee had been stealing and got him fired.

That’s a dirty move by a ghost. Unfair.

Just leave the living alone.

Yeah, I mean, open and close the cabinets all you like, but don’t get him fired.

I also want to know how the ghost came to her. Like was it in a dream? Was it a Ouija board? Was it a phone call? Bloody writing on the wall?

You just sit down at the foot of her bed and you’re like, hey, wake up.

Yeah, it does not matter whether you believe in the paranormal or not, Nunez, to fendish yourself saying. I and every person is entitled to their own experiences that bring them understanding and meaning into their lives, including being informed or warned about wicked actors and actions. I don’t know about her, but even just random office gossip when it comes to me from somebody who has nothing to do with the situation, I usually ignore it.

Yeah, let alone 19th century ghosts. Yeah, but all right.

Dancero, like Hobbs, claims that Nunez had been harassing him online and via text message. So Dancero is the employee.

Yeah, sorry, I cut important information out.

It’s all good. I hope you get ruined and arrested and prosecuted for the rest of your life.

I like arrested.

Arrested. I mean, that’s fair.

Sounds like cruel and unusual.

In a separate incident last year, former employee Cody DeSibians and Haas’s daughter Santori Haas claimed that they’ve lost thousands of dollars in personal items during a barren fire on the property in December. The couple said that Nunez initially told them they would reimburse, but then they never were. Lame.

Mm-hmm. Sounds like a real piece of work. The lady owns this property.

She’s… I cannot imagine if places had the same hiring and firing practices. Well, we heard from somebody who’s been dead for over a hundred years. You’re fired.

Do you think maybe the property owner is being possessed by the evil demon that lives in the conjuring house? Or the witch, the ghost of the witch? Is Bathsheba something or other?

Yeah, I think it’s supposed to be a demon. But maybe it… No, you’re right. It’s a witch.

Maybe she is under the influence and all she can do now is threaten ghost hunters via text messages.

Mm-hmm. Let’s hope that trend continues. I want to follow this drama.

Sheryl has supplied the first story into the Curse-O-Meter. I will feed it in a second titled, The Die in Doritos Can Make Mice Transparent. This is written by Lauren Leffer on September 5th for Popsi.com. A food dye that helps give certain sodas an orange hue renders mouse skin almost completely see-through in a reversible, potentially non-toxic research method that could transform medical and scientific imaging. Because of a counterintuitive fundamental physics principle, Tartrazine, also known as yellow number five, can temporarily turn biological tissue transparent to the naked eye, as described in a study published September 5th in the journal Science.

Now, they’re gonna make, like, Tartrazine cream that you can, like, coat your body with so when you break a bone, maybe they don’t have to do X-rays anymore? I think so.

Oh, epic. They do mention that further down the article about, like, what their hopes are. Nice. So far, scientists have used the method to see the organs in a mouse’s intact abdomen glimpse the pulsing vessels surrounding a rodent skull and to a clear view of muscle tissue through a microscope. The method is simple. Massaging Tartrazine’s solution into hairless mouse skin over the course of a few minutes or using micro-needling achieves complete optical transparency in the red region of the visible spectrum per the study. I’d like to be massaged and not micro-needled.

Micro-needling’s not that bad. I guess.

I guess it’s like a tattoo, almost.

Very less painful.

Maybe it’s not so bad. No. Massage still sounds better. Watch the dye away and the skin returns to its natural opaque state. Biological tissues like skin are usually not see-through, if you’re lucky, because light gets scattered as it passes through them, says Guosang Hong, co-senior study author and a bioengineer at Stanford University. But Tartrazine dye, through its powerful absorption of blue wavelengths of light, changes the refractive index of water to be much closer to that of fat, Hong says. As a result, a photon can pass through the skin almost as if the tissue were homogenous. It takes a shorter path, avoiding all the bouncing and angle changes that increase the likelihood of light absorption, ultimately illuminating the inside of a mouse. Finally, mice are no longer in darkness.

However, the method isn’t complete. It can’t make an entire living mouse invisible. Although I wonder if they have and they just thought they maybe lost one of the mice and it’s roaming around the lab completely invisible. Smelling of Cheetos.

I highly doubt it, but yes, that is one thought.

So it can’t make an entire living mouse invisible or enable us to see the inner workings of a human abdomen? Yellow?

That was my first thought. Brats. Mice.

I see the middle of a person. Maybe you eat the mice and then you become invisible. Like how poisons travel up the food chain, Tartrazine number five?

Yeah, but see, like, we’ve eaten enough Doritos that if that was the case, we’d be able to see the Doritos inside us.

Maybe we haven’t. Maybe we need to pick out on seven or eight bags of Cheetos at a time.

Maybe we just need to drink Tartrazine.

Yellow five can only penetrate so far into tissue, so it won’t be as useful for imaging through thicker flesh, like that of a human, without a targeted delivery strategy. Plus, though the dye reduces photon scattering, it doesn’t entirely eliminate it. The thicker the tissue you use it on, the darker and less clear the resulting image will be. I guess because it’s dark inside people. Finally, though initial toxicity assessments bode well, it’s not known Tartrazine will prove totally harmless in the long term, especially with the amount needed for the effect to work.

If yellow number five dye does prove safe, it might eventually be used for early skin cancer detection, making hard to spot veins easier to find, speeding up laser tattoo removal, or improving photothermal cancer treatments.

So homework for everyone who listens to our podcast, rub Doritos on yourself this weekend. See how many Doritos it takes before you can see through your hand.

If you’re going for cancer screaming, just screening, not screaming. The screaming comes after. But if you’re going for cancer screening, just in advance, rub Doritos dust all over your body before you go to the doctor.

Yeah, this is a foolproof plan, people.

And if they ask you why, tell them you did it to make their jobs easier.

Yeah, well that’s story number two.

Sheryl will submit the third and final story to complete calibration. Excellent.

This one is titled, An Open Casket in a Suburban Detroit Park Prompts Calls to Police. It’s from the Associated Press on September 6th. A Suburban Detroit Park had an unusual addition this week. An open casket containing the body of a 97 year old woman, Madonna Stiller. Police received calls from curious residents, with some wondering if it was not an early Halloween prank.

But it was not a prank, it was actually a real body. We just wanted to honour my mother, Stiller’s son, Ken, told Malcolm Daily. We didn’t mean to cause any problems and didn’t mean for it to be in the newspaper. The funeral director temporarily situated the casket in the park so that the deceased family members could say their final goodbyes prior to her burial at Mount Olivet Cemetery, police said on Thursday. Madonna Stiller’s family said that they simply wanted to honour her before her burial that day in Detroit. A viewing at the local funeral home apparently wasn’t possible after the body was transported to Michigan.

She died in Wellsville, New York on August 29. Officials said plans for the viewing at Butcher Park, oh dear, weren’t disclosed ahead of time, and said the park can’t automatically be a place for an open casket.

Imagine the discussion with that family, it’s like we don’t have space for the viewing, but we want everyone to see, it’s like well, I mean the park’s over there. We could just wheel mom out there and then we can all go see.

Why would you pick one called Butcher Park? That’s true. Shouldn’t you pick like, I don’t know, maybe they’ve got one that’s like Pleasantview Park or something else. No, Butcher. Butcher, yeah, feels a little bit more, but no wonder people thought it was a Halloween prank.

Yeah, I wonder like if it sat there unattended for a while while like they went back inside to gather up chairs or something. And people are just jogging through the park looking at this casket, maybe jogging a little bit closer to peek in.

What is happening? I also wonder like, if they’re just leaving the body out there, was it ever left unattended to the point that like they didn’t realize it was actual viewing?

It was the family done and they’re like, you know what, we’ve said our goodbyes and they just walked away and left the open casket there, nobody watching it. Perhaps. Because like that would be disturbing to stumble across, gotta say.

What if like birds and squirrels get in there?

Well, then they’re going to an early grave.

It’s true. Yep, as long as they scatter before the lid gets closed, what if the birds try eating the body?

I mean, I can’t say for sure, but if the body was embalmed, they’re not going to want to eat it anyway. Oh, tastes terrible. I mean, you’re replacing all the bodily fluids with embalming fluids. So yes.

Hmm. Alright, so we’ve submitted the three stories in the Curse-O-Meter here for calibration. We will get it to spit out the results now to determine how cursed each of these stories were. Please stand by.

Alright, and for our first news story about the woman who runs the conjuring house. Probably cursed. Yep, things aren’t going great and they’re not going great in ways that you would not expect.

And either this woman is actually getting information from ghosts or she’s delusional in some way, shape or form. Either way, it just does not sound good.

Like you try to look for maybe there’s more context, but I don’t know what that would be outside of this.

She’s just crazy. The demon in the house could be affecting her, I suppose, but even still, that’s just as troubling.

And for our second news story about the tetrazine number five turning mice invisible, the Curse-O-Meter says probably blessed.

Yeah, I mean, it’s got medical purposes. It seems benign so far. They haven’t done anything too crazy.

And if you create a few permanently invisible mice, I mean, that’s okay to have.

They’re already using AI to detect breast cancer well before it’s even detectable by doctors. So this sort of thing, it’s kind of neat. If you can detect skin cancer in its early stages and it’s easy to treat, that can save a lot of lives.

Yeah, especially if you just got a massage right in two person, then you could see it right away. I’m game. I bet we could do it at home.

Hence the Doritos people. Report back. Let us know if you rub Doritos on your hand enough to see through it.

Yep. Or if your classmate in grade two stabbed a pencil into your arm and a piece of lead broke off, you can see if it’s still in there by smudging tartarzy number five. That’s right. And for the final news story about the casket left in a Detroit park.

The results are probably benign.

It’s just a body inside of a box in a field. I mean, if you’re jogging, most joggers discover a body just lying there. This one’s all packaged up, presented nicely.

Besides, the world has been around long enough that chances are somebody or something died on your property at some point in time. Dead bodies or just dead bodies. I know this sounds weird coming from a paranormal podcast, but is this a body?

We’re all dead bodies and waiting. Yep. Wherever you die. And it probably won’t be in a graveyard. Probably be on a couch or in bed.

Did you just come with a new merch idea? We’re all just dead bodies and waiting or dead bodies and waiting t-shirts? I think so.

All right. Little pins. I like it. All right. We’ve completed calibrating the Curse-O-Meter. Before we get on to our main topic, we’ll head on over to the probably cursed museum and gift shop to learn about today’s artifact.

So today’s artifact is artifact number 12 and get ready clown lovers. This one is for you. It’s a vintage clown jack-in-the-box. Although there’s no lid on the box for the clown to pop out. That might be a good thing depending on how you feel about clown jump scares. But do not fret that it does not provide jump scares as it plays music and will occasionally play a note on its own for no reason.

And unbeknownst to us when we bought it, it also wiggles around. Yeah. So in place. I thought it just played music when we found it.

So did I. It’s kind of slowly dances in like a circular motion. I don’t know how else to describe it, but it just kind of rotates its upper body. I played the music box for the bird and much briefing was had. The hands in the face of the clown are porcelain and there’s like a structure inside the clown to like give it move maneuverability so you can move the hands. Although right now it kind of looks like it’s in a Dragon Ball Z pose, but it’s fine. And the hands because of the wiring inside are kind of like in a weird unnatural position right now, but you can fix that if you would like to.

Yeah, we give these to you found as is we don’t make any alterations. Sometimes we’ll glue a broken piece back on, but otherwise if it’s still attached, you get it.

Yep. All yours. The clown has like a blank and unsteadying stare on its face. Just what every clown lover needs. It’s dressed in red and white and the box is red and white as well. I looked it up online. Google Image Search shows similar clowns are from like the 1980s and we found this guy at a thrift shop and I got to say the minute that we saw it, we were like, we have to have this. And maybe you need to have it too. Do you like creepy clowns?

Maybe you have a family member who hates clowns and you want to give them the surprise at Halloween? Of note, it’s also got marker on the back of its head and on the back of its body. So it was well loved. I guess so.

Maybe they are demon sigils. How mad would a demon be if you put it inside a clown?

Just picking it up now. Pardon the music. It’s got a C on its back.

Ooh, see for Chris.

It was made for you.

I think it’s going to keep playing. Yep. It’ll play in the background here. One of the great things about it is if you slightly touch it or even just on its own, it will randomly play music.

Yeah, it’s quite unsettling. It’s also staring at me.

Just still in that DBZ pose.

Yeah, it stopped in the middle of the song and now it’s just staring at me. So there you go. The clown can be found on our probably cursed Etsy shop. Items that we… The C is for cursed.

Yeah, it is. Items that come from our shop will come with certificate. It’s assigned by both Chris and I so you can display it with the artifact. The purchases you make from our shop helps support the podcast and put us one step closer to reaching our goal of having a haunted museum. You can find our shop at probablycursed.etsy .com. And as for our haunted updates, speaking of Halloween surprises, Chris and I had another happy customer purchase an item from our probably cursed shop. Our marionettes from episode two recently sold to the good people of Deadminton House. This year they’re doing a scare maze called the Puppet Factory and the marionettes will be part of that scare house. So if you’re in Edmonton this Halloween season, check out Deadminton House. Maybe you’ll even encounter some real ghosts while you’re there. This is… Oh, go ahead.

Try to guess which ones are the real ghosts and which ones are the scare actors.

It’s gonna be lots of fun. This is not sponsored by the way, we just love Deadminton House. Although if they would like to sponsor us, we would gladly do a collab. Do it. But we bought our passes early this year so we do recommend they’re definitely worth checking out.

And now on to the main topic. So, it’s October. Spooky season is upon us. A time when the barrier between life and the afterlife grows thinnest. Some places, however, the veil is already paper thin. Some places, like the cemetery grounds in Stull, Kansas, are said to contain a portal to the afterlife, or at the very least, to hell. That’s awesome. Thank you.

Are we gonna plan a trip there for in October at some point?

You know, I think we should. I’ll bring it up like later, but even Nirvana has been too.

Nice. There. Well, sounds like a good place to check out.

The Stull Cemetery is said to contain one of the seven gates to hell, and is said to be one of the most evil spots in America. Pope John Paul II himself had asked for a flight to be redirected that he was on, around the area on a visit to America. And the most evil fact of all, the cemetery zip code is inside 666.

Nice. The oldest written records about the evil goings on in the Stull Cemetery are from an article in the November 1974 issue of a school newspaper, the University Daily Kansan. But the article states that rumors about the cursed graveyard go back much further, with stories of invisible cold hands grabbing people who are on the grounds at night, which is gathering their covens there, and that the devil will materialize there twice a year on Halloween night and the spring equinox.

So back to the Pope and like not wanting to fly over there. Is it because of all that like activity that his Pope senses retingling and he’s like, I know where we are. You can’t fly through there.

I bet. I bet he was like looking out the window and scowling and he’s like, turn right.

Feels very random because like, I don’t know, maybe the Pope has a special phone, but like my GPS does not work. I don’t know where Stull Kansas is off the top of my head.

I mean, maybe that’s what you get when you become Pope. You get extra knowledge about your whereabouts. Maybe that’s what all the black smoke is about, like your trans transmutating.

Maybe. One of the most famous aspects of the cemetery grounds is a purported stairway to hell that is well hidden with the entrance fastened with a seal. And even though it’s not explicitly said, I’m guessing this is how the devil makes his way to Stull. Just takes the stairs.

Yeah. The stairs are well hidden on the grounds, but if you were to find them and tried to descend them, it said time moves at a supernatural rate. If you were to decide to turn back before reaching hell, your return journey would take about two weeks, although only minutes would pass on the surface.

But if you played stairway to heaven while trying to come back up the stairs from hell, would it reverse the polarity?

Oh, maybe. Maybe he’ll just turn into an elevator. Maybe.

Or an escalator. We’ll see.

Now, you might be wondering why the devil has any interest in Stull, Kansas, of all places. Can you think of any, Sheryl?

I mean, other than all the terrible things that happened with slavery in the states. That’s true. Okay. So first thing comes to mind for me, but.

That’s probably brought a lot, a lot of people further from God.

I don’t know much about Kansas, but I do know that a lot of the states had some issues with that.

I know they get tornadoes. And I know if you go in those tornadoes, you get to go to Oz.

Oh yeah, they are in Tornado Alley, just like us here in Edmonton.

So there are two explanations that I can find. The first has to do with a legend that the devil impregnated a witch in the 1950s. The baby had only lived two days before dying and was buried in that cemetery. The devil arrives twice a year to pay respects to his buried son and the witch he bore the child with. Okay.

I see nothing wrong with this. The second has to do with the old abandoned church on the cemetery grounds, the Emanuel Hill Church. It was originally abandoned once the congregation grew too large and moved to a larger church. It’s said after its abandonment, it had become a meeting place for Satanists who attempted and were successful in creating the portal to hell. The church itself also has its own superstitions attached to it. It said the walls bleed during the devil’s visit. A large crucifix on the wall will turn upside down if you enter the building at midnight. And also at some point the roof was torn off in a storm. And it said that when the rain falls now, rain does not fall inside the church. I don’t know where it goes if it just runs off an invisible roof.

Yeah. Or is it so hot in the church that it just immediately evaporates?

Maybe. I mean, it is hell. It gets hot. It’s also the claim that if one toured to draw an inverted cross on a bottle and throw it against the church wall, it would not break.

So inverted as in like…

Like the upside down cross.

Yeah, but if it’s on a bottle, which part is the top? I guess the top of the bottle and the bottom of the bottle would then be…

Maybe you draw a line on the bottom part. Like how they do on a pool ball for the sixes and the nine balls.

Okay. Are you supposed to throw it inverted or…? I think you just toss it. Okay. Just checking.

Uh, the legend also goes that if it does break, the person who threw the bottle will die.

I mean, if you want to die anyway, it might be a good way to try it out.

So there’s two celebrity stories about visiting Stull. The first I mentioned before was Kurt Cobain, and he recounts in a 1992 interview that the band made a pilgrimage out there, and Kurt Cobain swears it was a strange place. Swore it was a strange place, because he’s dead now.

Mm-hmm. He felt like the more he walked, the farther away the cemetery appeared when they’re approaching it. And he felt a weird evil presence that had him and the band running back to their van afterwards. But it gets even better.

Mm-hmm. So that was Kurt Cobain. More recently, Ariana Grande had tried to make a visit as well. Uh-huh. According to an interview she gave to Complex in 2013, when she was approaching it, she said she felt a sick, overwhelming sense of negativity in her car. She smelled sulfur and a fly appeared inside the car, which she attributes to the signs of a demon being present.

There’s clearly demons in our house because we have flies in here.

She pulled over, rolled down the window to apologize for disrupting the demon’s peace. She took a picture of the cemetery that showed three distinct demonic faces in it. She states that she was then haunted by shadowy figures for the next couple of weeks until she deleted the photo.

It’s disturbing, also disturbing. Our dog is having nightmares and crying while Chris is reading.

He needs to go to Stull. Mm-hmm. So those are the supernatural elements of the Stull Cemetery. And, admittedly, it’s all hearsay and rumors. But there is one other thing that haunts the cemetery on Halloween and the Equinox. And can you guess what it is? Santa Claus. Close. Ooh. Man. Nice. Unless you count Santa Claus as a jolly old elf then. Man-like.

I mean, I think Santa is a supernatural being considering how long he’s been alive.

It’s true. He might be an elf.

He might have to do a Christmas episode about Santa Claus.

Might be from Isengard. Mm-hmm. So remember earlier that one of the earliest written records of the cursedness of Stull is from a school newspaper in the 70s? Yep. Well, after it was published, it was originally meant as a Halloween piece, but it got delayed because the writer coming up with the story wasn’t able to get as much content for the story as they needed. So it was delayed by a few weeks when it was put into the November issue. So the issue got released November.

The next spring Equinox, over 150 people arrived at the Stull Cemetery to wait for the devil to arrive. Whoa. Mostly University of Kansas students with plenty of booze brought with them. That’s fair. And the crowds only grew bigger with every Equinox in Halloween, and at one point the crowds reached sizes of almost 500 people. Wow.

So like you’re saying, maybe don’t go on Halloween because it’ll be busy. It’s true. Okay.

And also you can’t go anymore. Oh. For a couple reasons. Okay. So with all those people coming also came their garbage, their graffiti, their vandalism, smashed bottles against church walls and pushed over tombstones. And officials had to resort to fencing off the property and threatening steep fines and jail time for whoever enters.

People, if you’re going to go visit a cemetery, whether or not you believe in ghosts, do not vandalize the cemetery.

I mean, that’s how you get a ghost to follow you home.

But either way, just don’t do it.

Some of those tombstones have living relatives.

Yeah. And they have to pay for the damage that you’ve done to the gravestones.

And eventually someone in the town proactively bulldozed the church walls down, saying they become unstable and unsafe for anyone who would enter the building, let alone large devil seeking crowds. Honestly for the best.

The citizens in Stull hate how the legends of the cemetery spread, saying it was all caused by that article from the 70s, leading to desecration of family members’ tombstones and turning the town into a drunken madhouse twice a year.

I mean, that was going to happen regardless. Let’s be honest, it is the States. It’s true. You can get alcohol everywhere.

We were just there. And like we’re from a part in Canada where you have the liquor store, which is all what they sell. And no one else, no other stores sell liquor. You have to go to the liquor store.

To walk into like a grocery store and have a huge liquor section in the back is jarring. Yeah.

So that is most of the story of the Stull Cemetery. There’s plenty more little anecdotes, some involving a family of werewolves that is actually affecting a family that’s around there today. Involving, victimizing a family that’s around today.

Oh, it now does this family happen to have the… Now I got to think of the word. Hypertra… I have to look it up. Oh, the furry disease? Yeah, the hair, the covered hair disease.

No. Okay. From what I can tell is that a legend started up because like these people are showing up every year. They’re reading the names on the tombstones and they’re coming up with like rumors.

Yeah, okay. And so one of the family names they decided was like a werewolf, part of a werewolf family. And there’s the living extension of that family still there. And they get harassed every so often by people calling them werewolves.

It’s probably the wolf family with two Fs.

It’s true. And you know what? Remember when I mentioned the witch story? One of the names in the Stull Cemetery is Wittich. The poor woman. Which is what a lot of people think that legend came from. Okay. But you’re right, that poor woman.

Yeah. Oh, I mean, I don’t know for sure it’s a woman, but…

I think it was. On the other hand, if your last name is Wittich and you live in a town called Stull, things might get morbid in your future. That’s fair. More macabre and scary. Other than the family of werewolves and the legends I told, I was mostly captivated by the portal to hell aspect of the story.

Mm-hmm, fair. And I did try to look up other way, gateways to hell and even found a list on Wikipedia. There is a page on Wikipedia that lists gateways to hell.

How many does it have listed on there? It had quite a lot. Okay, I was gonna say because this said seven, so…

I think somewhere in around 20. So like every culture has like legends about entrances to the underworld. Lerno Lake in Greece, Mount Etna in Sicily, Fangdu in China, Mount Osore in Japan, the Messiah volcano in Nicaragua, many, many others. You can visit the Wikipedia page to get the entire list. There are no shortages to entrances to hell. Are there any in Canada? Not that I could find.

Well, we’re safer than.

I think we got to travel all the way to Stull. I think that is our closest entrance to hell.

It just, it all it says to me is that like everywhere else in the world, when movies and whatever exist, Canada gets forgotten. The devil just, Satan just forgot where Canada was and he’s like, eh, they’re not really a place.

Maybe it’s just too cold here. Yeah. To maintain an open door to hell.

Or maybe he’s tired of when hell freezes over jokes and he’s just like, I’m not gonna touch that.

It’s true. God can have Canada. I don’t care. Yeah, that’s right. I mean, the Russians did dig that hole to hell. There’s that internet MP3 legend that’s been going around since the 90s. Also, if you’re interested, there is one portal to purgatory, St. Patrick’s purgatory in Northern Ireland. It said Jesus appeared there in the fifth century to show St. Patrick where the portal was. And so he could use it to scare people into religion.

All right. I’ll take it. I don’t really see that as being the way the church does things, but I guess it kind of is. They did, God did flood the whole world and send down the plagues of Egypt.

Turn some guy’s wife into a pillar of salt. Yeah. Just seems mean spirited at times. It does. And as for any entrances to heaven, seems that the only way there is by reading the Bible, nor shortcuts.

Or listening to stairway to heaven backwards.

That’s true. If anything, that maybe just keeps you in the stairwell. So is the cemetery of Stull cursed? What does the Curse-O-Meter say? We’ll enter in our story now. Please stand by. And the results say definitely cursed.

I mean, the pope won’t fly there. That’s usually a good sign of something being cursed.

It’s true. And it’s just full of drunken people twice a year knocking over tombstones. I mean, let alone the fact that the devil shows up there twice a year for whatever reason.

No one’s got proof of that though. That’s that’s the one thing for me. They get all those years of drunken parties on the equinox and on Halloween. Nobody reported seeing him.

I mean, maybe people got too drunk to be believed. And the devil is just jumping around them. He’s like, ha, no one will ever believe you. You’re all wasted. It’s true. I’ll think you’re hallucinating.

Maybe he granted them a wish each if they didn’t say that they had seen him.

Oh, we need the follow up. Have 500 people suddenly gotten everything they ever wanted, but in an ironic, terrible way. Because I think that’s how the devil works.

I mean, you and I are experts. I would I would say we should consult with the church of Satan before we start making some accusations, but seems seems like a likely thing for the devil to do.

The Twilight Zone has taught me anything. The devil always puts a little twist on it. That’s true. That brings us to the end of today’s Stull Cemetery episode for the month of October. Sheryl and I both wish you a very happy Halloween and spooky season this month.

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