It’s our series premiere! In this series Sheryl & Chris explore strange peoples, objects, places, and stories to deduce the intensity and quality of its cursedness with the aid of the Lord Carnarvon Curse-O-Meter.

In Today’s topic we discuss former Canadian Prime Minister, Mackenzie King, and his chats with the dead including his deceased mother, past world leaders, even his dog! We also discuss the predictions of blind psychic Baba Vanga, the great Ursine Krispy Kreme robbery of 2023, and what happens when your ghost boyfriend turns out to have the face of a gargoyle.

News Stories covered in this episode:

Woman Has Sex With Ghost and Dumps Him – https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-has-sex-ghost-every-31083975

Bears Raid a Krispy Kreme Truck – https://apnews.com/article/alaska-bears-doughnuts-krispy-kreme-van-48a6b83875f3f8f4454780d868130539

Blind Psychic Baba Vanga’s Predictions – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11553849/Blind-psychic-Baba-Vanga-predicted-expect-solar-storm-bioweapon-tests-2023.html

Up for sale in this episode is Probably Cursed Artifact No. 01 – The Shuttered Mirror https://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/ProbablyCursed?section_id=45788091

TRANSCRIPT:

Chris: Welcome everybody to the very first episode of the probably cursed podcast. I am your host, Chris. And I’m Sheryl. This podcast, we discuss person, places, events, historical stories, maybe even made up stories. Who knows with the passage of history. And we feed them into our AI powered Curse-O-Meter to determine if these things, events, people, etc. were cursed. There’s a few different outcomes for each story. And we let our AI tell us what exactly happened with each.

Sheryl: To introduce our first topic, we’re going to be discussing William Lyon, MacKenzie King, who was Canada’s 10th Prime Minister, and his dealings with psychics. To calibrate our Lord Canarvan Curse-O-Meter, we’re going to feed it some recent news. Let’s dig in.

Chris: And this will help our AI calibrate to the cursedness of these events and our future upcoming topic at the end of the episode here.

Sheryl: So we’re going to turn on the Lord Canarvan Curse-O-Meter.

Chris: Alright, entering in the first story. This is a story that Sheryl found from themirror.co .uk. Woman has sex with ghosts every night for 20 years, but dumps him over his fangs. A woman has claimed she’s been sleeping with a ghost for 20 years, but the relationship turned sour when she caught glimpse of the ghoul’s terrifying face. Paula Flores says her relationship with the ghost started when she was younger and led to two decades of passionate nights together. She even went as far to claim that the spirit always initiated it, despite falling in love with the supernatural soul. The pairing soon turned cold when the woman saw the ghost’s face, describing him as a large male figure with fangs and the face of a gargoyle. Paula then decided she didn’t want any contact with him again.

The woman from Columbia shared her romance on the TV show Sin Quireta on the state-owned channel Canal One, where she explained to the show’s host Juan Diego Alvira how the relationship started. One day I was lying down when I felt a hand move from my feet to my chest and it was strange. I was scared. From that moment on, he started coming to me like a spirit to have sex with me, she claimed. She admitted to enjoying their steamy sessions every night until she got a glimpse of his face.

She added the last time I saw his face was when I didn’t want to continue. Psychologist Martisa Montialegre claims Flores’s case is not at all common, adding in fact, demonic cases are extremely isolated. However, parapsychologist Hiro Urbex believes Flores’s account is credible, adding that she was probably in a relationship with an incubus. Urbex explained an incubus is a demonic entity. It is a lower astral entity. They specialize in grabbing people and taking their energy. People were quick to chime in on Paula’s experience as one local commented, It must have been a satanic spirit. Well another jibed, tell her it was a neighbor with a sheet with holes. Meanwhile, another person joked that spirit was no saint. Interested to see what the Curse-O-Meter makes of this one? It sounds like she probably should have taken a look at his face before she let things progress any further.

Sheryl: I guess if it was a night though, it was probably pretty dark.

Chris: Yeah, maybe. It was like there is an episode of Seinfeld where I believe it was Jerry. He was dating a girl who based on the lighting she was in looked like a horrible ghoul.

But in every other lighting, she looked like a completely normal and like super attractive person. And he was debating whether or not to break up with her because of this. That’s the first story into the Curse-O-Meter for calibration. Sheryl, you’ve got another story there.

Sheryl: Alright, this is from the Associated Press website. Bears raid a Krispy Kreme donut van making deliveries to an Alaska military base. This article is from September 18th, 2023. Doint base Elmendorf Richardson, Alaska. Two bears on an Alaska military base raided a Krispy Kreme donut van that was stopped outside a convenience store during its delivery route. The driver usually left his door open when he stopped at the store, but this time a sow and one of her cubs that loitered nearby sauntered inside and they stayed in there for probably 20 minutes Tuesday morning. The bears chomped on donut holes and other pastries ignoring the banging on the side of the van that was aimed at shooing them away says Dino. I was beating on the van and they’re not moving.

I could hear them breaking open packages and everything and it was like they didn’t even care. When the bears couldn’t be roused, base security was called. Sounded sirens meant to scare the bear away, she said. The bears eventually came out and wandered in front of the convenience store for heading into the woods. It’s not unusual to see bears in the base around the store, but nothing like this has ever happened before.

Dino added that the delivery driver now closes his door when he stops at the shop. We’re cautious when we come in, when we take out the garbage, we do it in pairs, especially if it’s dark. Captain Lexi Smith said authorities on base are aware of this and other kind of wildlife situations throughout the past several years. We urge the public to use caution to ensure that we are protecting our wildlife and ourselves. Wildlife may be our neighbor, but we shouldn’t be attracting them to human food sources, she said by email. This is good news for those bears. I mean, it’s probably good news for the military too. They really don’t need to be eating them and you know it’s…

It’s true. Besides which, like, I don’t know how many boxes of donuts it doesn’t say, but I would assume that after a certain space of time, they’d go stale. So they’re shipping out a whole day’s worth of donuts.

Chris: I guess they’re still good. Yeah. And you know how like our dog Freddy, whenever one of us comes home with the car, he immediately picks up on the noise of the sound of the engine from like two blocks away. These bears are going to know that engine of that crispy cream truck from now on.

Sheryl: Hopefully none of them got any chocolate donuts because that’d be a sad day for those bears.

Chris: How chocolate… how poisonous is chocolate to bears? Do you think?

Sheryl: Um, you know what? I’m not 100% sure. I’d have to look that up. Yeah.

Chris: It’s likely happened. Yeah? Like a lot of campers out there with smore supplies. Bears probably wandered up and helped himself.

Sheryl: That is true. We’ll feed this one into the Lord Canarvan Corsometer as well. Mm-hmm.

Chris: And we will give it one more story here. So this last story is from December of last year, also from the Daily Mail. Blind psychic Baba Vanga, who previously predicted 2022 droughts and 9-11 warned we could expect a nuclear explosion and bio weapon tests on humans in 2023. We are recording this mid-October, so we’ve got some time for these predictions to come true. A blind psychic who correctly predicted the 9-11 attacks and claimed cities would face water shortages from droughts in 2022, claimed that we can expect bio weapons tests next year. Known as the Nostradamus of the Balkans, Baba Vanga, who died 25 years ago in 1996, made five terrifying prophecies for 2023 before her death. The Bulgarian mystic who left predictions for every year up until 5079. Good Lord, that must be like a huge book or diary.

Sheryl: To be honest though, it’s nice to know it’s going to be around that long.

Chris: That’s true. Yeah. If everyone’s going to die in 2023, you don’t need to write anything more for 2024. Unless you’re counting on alien anthropologists deciphering our language and then she turns out she has predictions for them.

She would be creepy. Who left predictions for every year up until 5079? Invisaged disastrous solar storms, bio weapons testing on humans, Earth’s orbit to shift, a nuclear explosion, and an end to natural births in 2023.

Sheryl: She’s only got a few months left before the natural births need to stop.

Chris: It’s going to be hell of a Christmas season. Vanga predicted that a big country will carry out bio weapons studies on humans, probably Australia, which would result in the deaths of thousands of people. However, the Biological Weapons Convention of the United Nations bans these types of experiments from being carried out. Baba, who correctly predicted the Chernobyl disaster, also warned of a potential nuclear power plant explosion in 2023. This eerie prediction comes as world leaders worry about a nuclear disaster in Ukraine. Just last month, powerful explosions shook the area around Ukraine’s Zephyrazizia nuclear power plant. With the UN’s atomic energy chief calling the Russian war on Ukraine extremely disturbing.

That’s a bit of an understatement. Baba also predicted that next year the Earth would experience a change in its orbit somehow, although the details of such were not given. The arrival of a solar storm of a magnitude never before witnessed on planet Earth is another terrifying prophecy. So that would mean pretty good northern lights, maybe even the kind we can see in the daytime. Solar storms could cause mass blackouts and communications breakdowns, causing a slew of problems.

Solar storms occur when a burst of energy is released from the sun, sending electrical charges, magnetic fields, and radiation hurtling towards the Earth. Another frightening prediction is that natural human births will be prohibited by governments. Oh, I thought it was like, gonna turn out to be a children of men type scenario where babies just stop being a thing.

Sheryl: I mean, we’re never gonna have births prohibited here in Canada. Our population would drop so fast. We’re already dropping so fast in population.

Chris: I wonder why she considered this would be a thing. The outlandish scenario would occur when government officials allegedly pushed for the lab-grown production of all human life and restrict natural births. Factory assembly line babies from now on. I hope that doesn’t mean we have to become mandatory parents to a clone baby. I don’t think that’ll happen.

Leaders and medical experts who would be able to decide who was born while parents would be able to customize their traits in appearance like hair color and eye color. She previously warned that large cities would face drought due to rising temperatures in 2022. The prediction appeared to have some weight to it because earlier this year it was reported that Kent residents were issued a water warning for essential use only.

Sheryl: Wait, so just one city was issued? In Kent.

Chris: Which is in the UK.

Sheryl: Yeah, so one county? I suppose so. Oh, okay, that’s a sign that there’s- She predicted it.

Chris: How did she know? Somewhere on earth there would be a drought during the year. However, some of her other predictions for 2022 have not stood up so far after she claimed the world would see terrifying events including deadly tsunamis and another pandemic. I guess we did have monkeypox for her spell there.

Sheryl: Yeah, very short spell of time.

Chris: She did predict for seeing an illness for Trump, which he did get COVID, and an assassination attempt to get Putin, which he probably might be true.

Sheryl: Yeah, if it was true he would cover it up, so we have no way of knowing.

Chris: I’m sure there’s Ukrainians plotting it right now. She also predicted a European economic collapse, which seems to slowly be happening. I mean the economy is kind of in a slump everywhere. Yes. 2018 she predicted the rise of China that they would become the next great superpower and a new form of energy would emerge on Venus.

Sheryl: Well, part of that I guess is true.

Chris: No word from Venus yet. No. I mean it might have emerged there, but no one’s there to see it. No. New power emerges on Venus and it doesn’t make a sound. 2017 was going to be the end of America. Oh, the America’s 44th president would be the last one. I remember my coworkers talking to me about this and saying it was likely to become true.

Sheryl: Here’s the thing that’s funny to me. Is she predicted that he would be the last one, but then how did she predict in 2019 that Trump and Putin would have COVID? Yeah. Like how can the… I’m confused. I think their followers are starting to make up information.

Chris: Something’s a little screwy here. She also predicted the end of Europe in 2016. The year that Europe would cease to exist, making a dire prediction of empty spaces and wasteland nearly devoid of any form of life. Which Europe’s still around. Sheryl and I were there earlier this year.

Sheryl: The article itself makes some connections with the Brexit situation, but saying that Europe would cease to exist was kind of an extreme interpretation of Brexit rattling Europe.

Chris: I guess. I mean, they’re all still there and there is forms of life everywhere.

Sheryl: We saw them. Here’s my favorite one. She even terrifyingly once claimed in a 1979 interview that Russia was to dominate the world with the president, Vadimir Putin, to become Lord of the World.

Chris: I bet it does say that on all the stationery now.

Sheryl: Probably. Probably in Russian. And article wraps up here. Here it says, Yeah, I can imagine that actually happening. Also, did the tornado suck her eyes out? Or did she get stabbed in the eye with things while she was whirling around inside the tornado?

Chris: Yeah. It took two of her eyes and only left her with her third eye. I believe that’s enough data for the cursometer. We will wait for it to spit out the results here and activate.

Curse-O-Meter:Please stand by.

Chris: So the woman who broke up with her ghost husband or ghost boyfriend, the cursometer says she’s probably blessed.

Sheryl: No one wants to be in a relationship with a succubus.

Chris: It’s true. Even if they got fangs, even if they’re, I mean, maybe it’s the gargoyle part which probably saves her. Like what if it was a real handsome face? Like what if it was a fanged… Edward.

Sheryl: Yeah. Twilight all over.

Chris: What if it was just Edward from Twilight? She’d probably have much different feelings about this. And the results for the bears breaking into the Krispy Kreme mobile?

Sheryl: The bear’s results came back as probably blessed. I think it’s safe to say that the military just didn’t need all those donuts.

Chris: Yep. Military didn’t need those donuts. The bears got a donut blessing from Bear God.

Sheryl: They’ll come back next year when they are trying to fatten up for the winter and steal even more donuts.

Chris: Oh yeah. They’re gonna be unstoppable. They’ve got a taste for Krispy Kreme now. And for the final story about the blind psychic who is predicting various things for the next, what was it, like 3,000 years? Yes. Looks like the results are probably cursed.

Sheryl: To be honest, she’s dead and she’s still having predictions spew out into the world. So yeah, that’s definitely cursed.

Chris: And in like this day and age where people kind of continue to believe the unproven and often times wrong words of a person long dead doesn’t bode well for the future. So it might be affecting people’s lives right now who are predicting the next nuclear war or that the government has decided that you guys don’t need to make babies. We got baby making covered from now on.

Sheryl: To be honest, I’m okay with that.

Chris: Maybe you just get it like in a box in the mail. You’ve received your new government distributed baby. Here are the care instructions.

Sheryl: So for those of you who are hoping to have children, get on it now before the government takes away your right.

Chris: I mean, it sounds like she was predicting you get to like pick the features of your baby.

Sheryl: Kind of. I think she had said something about the government being able to decide who had children and who didn’t. So. You don’t know if you’d be one of the people picked to have children or not.

Chris: So if you’re planning for kids next year, because this is a slated to happen in the next couple months, maybe write a nice flattering note to your member of parliament. Tell your president you love them and maybe they’ll get you up on the list.

Sheryl: That’s right. Points, bonus points if you write to them and say please do not take away my rights to have children.

Chris: Or have just your baby order. Like I would like one child, half freckles, half no freckles, green eyes, brown hair, green skin. Now that we have properly calibrated the cursometer, it’s now time for the probably cursed museum segment. Sheryl and I have traveled far and wide visiting small towns, antique stores, thrift shops, estate sales, and have curated a respectable collection of haunting, creepy, improbably cursed items. Now with every episode we release one of our probably cursed artifacts becomes available for you to purchase for your very self as a way for you to help us support our podcast and help us reach our future goal of opening in physical real life probably cursed museum. Today we are releasing artifact number one. You can view it on our probably cursed store on Etsy or on Instagram, just search for probably cursed and we should probably come up.

Since this is an audio format, I’ll describe the first artifact for our listeners. It’s what is called a shuttered mirror. It’s a small mirror comes in an ornately carved wooden frame and has little wooden doors that enclose the mirror entirely so when it’s shut you don’t see the mirror.

The mirror is just totally boxed in. The wood doors and frame are painted black and covered in little ornate metal embellishments. Sheryl and I discovered this hidden in the back clearance room of our local old Strathcona antique mall. I’ve tried to determine the origin of the mirror and have not come up with much. I would say the design on it does look kind of Indonesian perhaps. I would say so. It wasn’t familiar with shuttered mirrors at all before and it looks like I don’t know you call it an invention a design a knickknack for your home.

It doesn’t come from like a central point. Looks like cultures around the world have all produced their own shuttered mirrors for home use various uses. I did look into like why does it have doors in it and part of the reasons that I found is that if you’re in a small enclosed space that moves around a lot it’s to protect your mirror from becoming broken and from something falling on it during travel.

Sheryl: Ooh like a caravan. Yeah nice.

Chris: I asked chatGBT what it might be for and it said it might be to help people who are struggling with vanity to close off their mirror.

Sheryl: I don’t know I like the other answer that they gave you the one where it apologized to you because it made up an answer about ghosts escaping during lightning storms. It’s true.

Chris: So I had asked what were the superstitious reasons for wanting to cover a mirror and one of them was that so one of the things that people have said about mirrors is it can become a portal for spirits to enter into your home so you should cover them and it conflated that with it decided that because mirrors have metal in them and it used to be believed that metal could attract lightning that it would make the mirrors more powerful. At which point I thought I would have heard about this before and I asked chatGBT to provide resources and provide its sources on that information and it apologized to me for saying that it doesn’t have any concrete source on that.

Sheryl: Here to hear first AI is predicting that if you don’t cover your mirrors ghosts will come through in lightning storms.

Chris: It’s true. It can’t tell us why it knows.

Sheryl: It’s just knows. It just needs us to know that’s what can happen. So yeah other reasons I’d found Jewish traditions they cover a mirror until after a funeral in case the spirit of the deceased becomes confused or trapped inside the mirror. The Chinese believe that mirrors can direct energy in their Feng Shui tradition so it might be more worthwhile to cover it if you have to have a mirror in one particular place. Some superstitions believe a mirror can become portal or doorway so this is like where traditions like Bloody Mary come from but despite its mysterious origins and functions Sheryl and I it just appeared strange and beautiful and a little bit ominous and made it a perfect addition to the probably cursed museum.

You’ll be also happy to know Sheryl. Conducted some animal testing with it. Nice. I carried the mirror around the house to all three of our pets to gauge their reactions. I filmed it so I’ll put it on our social media at the time of this episode releases and I’ll have to say the dog was very interested. The rabbit couldn’t really be bothered to look at it at all. That’s fair. It’s just too busy eating and the bird got spooked and flew away. Well the bird normally likes mirrors so that’s probably a bad sign.

Chris: That’s true. So one out of three animals predict it’s because I want to test on animal because of their ability to sense evil and so one out of three animals sense evil in this mirror. And if you’d like to add artifact number one this little mirror to your own personal collection head on to our Etsy store shares the name of this podcast probably cursed where it’ll be up for sale there along with various other goodies and upcycled artworks that yours truly is made. They’re all there as well.

Sheryl: Now the shopping portion of our podcast has concluded it’s time to address our probably cursed topic of the month. So William Lyon Mackenzie King was Canada’s 10th Prime Minister. He was in power for three consecutive terms which spanned from 1921 to 1948 making him Canada’s longest serving Prime Minister to date. He was born in Berlin, Ontario which is now technically Kitchener, Ontario on December 17th 1874 and died on July 22nd 1950 at the age of 75.

Right bold age. Yeah in Kingsmere, Quebec. Little bit more information on Prime Minister Mackenzie King. He was part of the Liberal Party though some might say he was a bit too liberal in his ideas and his actions especially when surrounding the occult. Only a few weeks after his death Mackenzie King’s friend exposed his occult dealings to the world.

The article made the front page of the psychic news. His friend the Duchess of Hamilton noted that Mackenzie King only spoke to her reputable mediums in quotations. Mackenzie King kept his dealings with the dead mostly secret from the public although occasionally he would let slip that he had been conversing with the dead politicians. In a book from historian Alan Levine titled King William Lion Mackenzie King life guided by the hand of destiny. Levine wrote that Mackenzie King consulted with mediums on a regular basis looking for a way to communicate with the dead and to contact such spirits as Leonardo da Vinci, Wilford Laurier which was another one of Canada’s prime ministers, Theodore Roosevelt and his dead mother Isabel Grace King. This led to him acquiring several nicknames including Weird Willy and the Dingbat in the Canadian Belfry.

Chris: Now which one of those two nicknames do you think he preferred?

Sheryl: I mean Weird Willy’s kind of catchy. That’s true. At least two books were written about his dealings with the occult. Sometime in the 1970s his personal diaries were leaked and revealed him to be a man who enjoyed the company of hookers. Had a close relationship with his dog Pat the first just so you’re aware he had three dogs all named Pat.

Chris: You know it saves you on new tags, new dog bowls.

Sheryl: They’re also all Irish terriers. He was trying to clone his dog.

Chris: Now did he know or was his wife just getting him new dogs every time the old one passed and he thought was the same dog.

Sheryl: So fun fact I can’t find any record that he was ever married. Oh he’s just a bachelor. He’s just a bachelor. With a series of pats. Yep series of pats and hookers.

Chris: I will also say that you know people in charge historically have made laws that benefited their own lives and lifestyles and it’s weird that for how many politicians have been in trouble with spending time with ladies of the night in hookers prostitution has never been legalized.

Sheryl: This is true. So I found articles that noted that including consulting the dead spirits, Kendi King may have also consulted with Pat the first on political matters. In addition to these diaries they exposed with Kendi King as a man who conducted seances and table wrapping sessions. With one article I even found noting that he found like formations in his shaving cream that he took as signs from the beyond. He believed in your neurology, palm reading and tea leaf reading.

Chris: Soon this shaving cream is sort of a variation of that thing on the Simpsons where Lisa had the girl slumber party where they were dropping wax into the water to see what their future husband would be.

Sheryl: Pretty close. Although the description that they give I’ll be reading it here in a second. I don’t know how you see all these things in your shaving cream. My experience with shaving cream I suppose would be different than shaving cream from the 1940s but I’ve never seen any strange images of my shaving cream.

Shaving cream. So in Alan Levine’s book it was noted that on January 20th 1948 Kendi King observed in his morning shaving cream lather the symbols of the Cold War, a bear and an eagle. The bear seemed to be crushing the eagle and then a dog which he took to be Britain or maybe Canada appeared and assisted the eagle by crushing the bear from on top of the eagle’s wings.

Chris: I gotta say I find it suspicious as our prime minister he couldn’t decide which animal was Canada.

Sheryl: I know I I don’t know why he thought Canada would have been a dog. British has the bulldog. Yeah. What does Canada have? Canada Goose. Kendi King also predicted the death of one of his dogs. His watch fell on the floor and it stopped at 4 20 a.m. He heard a voice stating that his dog would die within 24 hours and then later that night his dog Pat which hello they’re all named Pat crawled into bed and died at 4 20 a.m. Uh poor pepper. Was William Lion Kendi King really talking to the dead and having visions or was he just the ding bat everyone now thinks he was?

Chris: Interesting. Like I don’t know if I would want a voice appear to me in the middle of the night tell me my pet’s gonna die in the next 24 hours.

Sheryl: I mean usually when that happens for me it’s an intrusive thought and I just ignore it and guess what nothing happens.

Chris: Oh yeah how many times did that occur to him?

Sheryl: Uh huh. Yeah how many times prior to that point to he just kind of have permanitions or whatever that he thought something was gonna happen and nothing happened.

Chris: Yeah I mean if it was like the one and only time I’d probably take the day off of work and spend time with the pet. Yeah. I mean you get a good clear sign like that you got to take it.

Sheryl: I also want to point out that was 4 20 a.m. I don’t know if that’s a reference to drugs or not but it feels like he may have been on drugs when that prediction came to him.

Chris: Oh maybe. Yeah. I mean they did have weed for like a long time and I think at that time it hadn’t been fully outlawed yet so maybe he was 4 20 blaze in it in the middle of the night just before the beginning of his day. That’s a weird time of night anyway.

Sheryl: I’d also like to know who the reputable psychics were. I feel like are there such things as reputable psychics?

Chris: Yeah like there’s probably like the big name psychics like uh who’s the one that always comes up around that time Madame Blavatsky.

Sheryl: Yeah or the Fox sisters or the Fox sisters.

Chris: Edgar Casey maybe. Yeah. I might be off on my timing of psychics.

Sheryl: But yeah I don’t know what makes them reputable. The Duchess seemed to have her sources but I don’t know man.

Chris: Now let’s see if the former prime minister’s ability to talk to his dead wife. Dead mother. His dead mother. His dead dogs was probably cursed or otherwise. We will feed our topic into the cursometer here and we’ll see what the results are.

Curse-O-Meter: Please stand by.

Chris: And it turns out the real curse is people.

Sheryl: The influence of other people.

Chris: Do you think that just refers to the psychics he was talking to himself?

Sheryl: I think so. The other thing is that like he was looking for things and signs and anyone who’s ever I don’t know tried looking for signs of something will know that they’ll find those signs if they’re looking for them. So I think he did it to himself.

Chris: Yeah that’s true. Probably no maybe you should have consulted a friend on this. Maybe revealed what he was writing into his diary to other people. Mm-hmm.

Sheryl: Well so his a bit more information. His diaries were eventually released to the public and a lot of the stuff in there, well not a lot, but some of the stuff was redacted so he picked and chose what things he wanted released to the public so some of the information we may never know. He actually wrote it into his will saying that certain parts of his diary would be released to the public so somewhere it’s sitting on the shelves probably of Parliament Hill and Ottawa. Mm-hmm. All of his diaries with redacted information.

Chris: Our current Prime Minister Justin Trudeau might have the full unedited copy. Mm-hmm. He’s going through it. That’s right. Becoming more powerful. Mm-hmm. So at the time yeah former world leaders consulting with psychic sort of common you know happened more often than not.

I bet it still happens they just don’t talk about it like shoot who is the most recent. So one of the first ladies of the United States did believe greatly in psychics. I know Abraham Lincoln’s wife did. Yeah and okay looking up vice’s article the first ladies who brought the occult to the White House. Nancy Reagan was one of them.

Nice well done. So in the 1996 book The Choice How Bling with Bill Clinton won author Bob Woodward no stranger to a good scandal wrote that the former first lady communicated with Eleanor Roosevelt and Mahatma Gandhi during her husband’s term. Though not Jesus is that would have been according to Woodward’s retelling to personal.

Sheryl: I’m looking at another article online and although Eleanor Roosevelt may have been involved in some of psychic stuff it actually looks like Franklin Roosevelt himself the president. Was receiving guidance from psychic readings during World War II. It must be the US one.

I guess so. The famous clairvoyant he used was named Jeannie Dixon. Jeannie Dixon. Mm-hmm. I dream of Jeannie. We also have Richard Nixon. Oh Richard Nixon also consulted with Jeannie Dixon. Interesting. Yeah. She got around. She she was the president psychic.

Chris: I wonder who Trump’s psychic was.

Sheryl: I don’t think he believes in psychic.

Chris: Or maybe since he’s a TV personality he had a TV psychic on there with him. Like I think Sylvia Brown’s gone now but maybe Miss Cleo from those late night infomercials back in the day.

Sheryl: Yeah. Oh there’s a new celebrity psychic. I can’t remember his name for the life of me but got his own TLC show.

Chris: All I can think of is John Edwards. No. He must still be around. Maybe. Maybe he’s Biden’s psychic.

Sheryl: Oh yeah. Well there’s also Teresa Caputo. Wait is that the one with the hair? Yeah. The Long Island medium.

Chris: The most bizarre hair I’ve ever heard of or seen.

Sheryl: The other one is Tyler Henry who is known as the Hollywood medium. He was born in 1996. If you want to feel old. Oh wow. He’s a baby.

Chris: He was born when I was 11 years old.

Sheryl: Yeah. He’s got his own show on Netflix called Life After Death.

Chris: I definitely haven’t reached that amount of fame yet. Only I was a psychic baby born in 1996.

Sheryl: Sydney. Shout out to our other podcast hosts from I Went Outside Today. Get on it.

Chris: It’s the podcast where we make our third co-host on that podcast go out and do things. We’ve already made her do a psychic investigation course once. We could set her to a few more courses and then get ourselves.

She horned into a TLC show. But only a psychic will know if that comes to pass. Who knows if TV will even be around. Maybe it’ll just be a Netflix special.

Sheryl: I mean if the nuclear holocaust happens and all those other things that the Baba Vanga was predicting. We won’t have TV.

Chris: Do you think we should wrap this up? I think so. So yeah. Tune in to us. Subscribe wherever you get our pods. You’ll be able to listen to us on the last day of every month. Also make sure you check out our other podcast I Went Outside Today which is released on the 13th of every month. I’ll say looking forward to bringing you our next topic at the end of November. I won’t say much about it other than it involves some hairy hands. And that’s probably enough to give away what the episode’s about. But if you can’t figure it out, wait till next month. This is one of your hosts Chris signing off.

Sheryl: This is Sheryl. Thanks for joining us.